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[05:10:49] <Mickmane> Morning. :)
[07:49:24] <Dominus> Good morning mickmane
[07:50:10] <Mickmane> I saw your name mentioned in the documentary, sounds German. I'm in Germany btw (born in the UK 47 years ago, not been there for over 20 years).
[07:50:42] <Dominus> Stealing: sometimes they react too harshly, sometimes they don't react. Mostly it works fine but not entirely. I don't remember correctly. Maybe searching the forum will shed light on it
[07:51:02] <Dominus> Yes, I'm from near Stuttgart
[07:51:05] <Mickmane> I'm used to just closing the doors and windows so no one sees me, that worked in the original
[07:51:08] <Mickmane> I'm in Hannover.
[07:51:25] <Mickmane> with 'they', do you mean party members or other peoople?
[07:51:29] <Dominus> Been there recently a couple of times
[07:51:46] <Mickmane> nice
[07:52:01] <Dominus> They: hmm, no idea. But party members do realize you are stealing
[07:52:22] <Mickmane> if the party members react too harshly, that'd be awkward ;P
[07:52:37] <Dominus> In Hannover we have some business realties in Isernhagen and Langenhagen
[07:52:46] <Mickmane> If strangers react harshly if they see me, I can just make sure they don't see me. I'm used to that. First thing I tend to do is ransack Trinsic.
[07:53:04] <Mickmane> Ah! I'm not that far from Langenhagen (Vahrenwald).
[07:53:11] <Dominus> Nice
[07:53:23] <Mickmane> Used to live in Langenhagen back when I first played Ultima 7!
[07:53:57] <Mickmane> With windows to west and sun shining in and a too dark monitor, flatmate and I sat under a towel. Now when the sun's shining it's Ultima weather!
[07:54:10] <Dominus> He he
[07:54:51] <Mickmane> do you remember that totally stupid German translation for Penumbra?
[07:54:59] <Dominus> As for Minoc, this should work fine these days. Dr.Code spent quite some time on fixing this.
[07:55:08] <Mickmane> Waehle Gegenstand mit Bedacht. Who on earth is supposed to think 'lockpick' there?
[07:55:22] <Mickmane> Oh, thanks to Dr.Code then, when you see him! :)
[07:55:23] <Dominus> No, I haven't played U7 in German
[07:55:40] <Mickmane> First I played it was in German, got an English version later, much better!
[07:55:54] <Dominus> I met the real Penumbra three years ago
[07:56:07] <Mickmane> ooooh! I didn't know there was such a person, that's so cool!
[07:56:28] <Mickmane> German version also had weird accents in the texts, ugh!
[07:56:31] <Dominus> Sir John made a good translation of U7 recently. Forge of Virtue was never translated
[07:56:46] <Mickmane> Oh, for Exult you made your own translation?
[07:57:09] <Dominus> Actually his translation is for both the original and Exult
[07:57:10] <Mickmane> I could have a go at Forge of Virtue if it's just a text file. :)
[07:57:35] <Mickmane> nice!
[07:57:42] <Dominus> No, it's way worse than just a textfile
[07:57:59] <Dominus> His translation is complete and better German throughout
[07:58:03] <Mickmane> Oh, damn. When you're bored you could - oh telephone
[07:58:21] <Dominus> He is now working on translating SI
[07:58:59] <Dominus> We are having a little get together in two weeks. See http://virtuecon.org
[07:59:40] <Dominus> It's unfortunately downsized as only ten people pledged to come and Richard Garriott can't attend
[08:00:43] <Mickmane> when you're bored you could explain to me what I would have to do.
[08:00:46] <Dominus> So instead of a big event, we meet and talk and drink
[08:00:51] <Mickmane> I'm not one for going anywhere much, but I'll click
[08:01:01] <Dominus> ;)
[08:01:12] <Mickmane> "This site can’t be reached"
[08:01:43] <Mickmane> I'm also fanatic antialcoholic, so I would not be happy sitting with people who drink alcohol. ;P
[08:02:04] <Mickmane> but for the translation, when you have time/mood, you could see if I understand what's needed
[08:02:18] <Dominus> Hmm, eurodragons.com works
[08:02:41] <Dominus> Translation is complicated.
[08:03:09] <Mickmane> ah
[08:03:38] <Dominus> Everything is compiled into the file usecode. You need our tools to decompile it and then later recompile it.
[08:03:44] <Mickmane> I'm a caveman btw, I don't go anywhere I can't walk back home from if I have to (in a reasonable amount of time) and don't get onto transports I can't stop and get off from in an emergency.
[08:04:02] <Mickmane> oh, compiling. eh... :)
[08:04:42] <Mickmane> I once did a tiny patch for Slash'EM (Nethack variant) ages ago, with a lot of help, and a lot of help mucking around with the compiler. that still feels like confused nightmare!
[08:04:45] <Dominus> http://sirjohn.de -> if you want to help him with SI translation
[08:04:58] <Mickmane> who is SirJohn and Sir Blackthorn?
[08:05:15] <Mickmane> more interested in FoV translation, not a fan of SI, sorry. :)
[08:05:42] <Dominus> Sir Blackthorn is Starr Long
[08:05:54] <Mickmane> Rings no bells, hm.
[08:06:00] <Dominus> Sir John is the guy who did the translation
[08:06:16] <Mickmane> ah, so that's just his nick, not some famous person I should know? :)
[08:06:23] <Dominus> Starr Long is one of the former Origin employees
[08:06:35] <Dominus> Yes, just nicknames
[08:06:35] <Mickmane> oh, cool
[08:06:49] <Dominus> So FoV is completely translated
[08:07:02] <Mickmane> Oh, then I misunderstood.
[08:07:35] <Dominus> ;)
[08:07:59] <Dominus> I helped with some graphic files (spells in the spellbook etc)
[08:08:53] <Mickmane> Cool! :) With SI, first time playing, I did the three cities, then went to the swamp and the dreamland thing, and got stuck I think. Flatmate played on to the end, I eventually followed with a walkthrough, but was unhappy about the lack of freedom.
[08:09:22] <Mickmane> In U7, I can do what I want where I want and do things in the order I like. Flatmate went aroudn the entire coast on his first play before he did much quest following!
[08:09:48] <Mickmane> U7 = BG
[08:11:03] <Mickmane> These days, I run to the flying carpet, grab party members, possibly some loot from special places, a few spells (mark & recall and the stones), THEN go back to Paws and start the normal quests. :) (Trinsic needs the password to get out, so can't skip that.)
[08:11:38] <Mickmane> How well does Exult work with 8 party members? I remember some problems with the original, not just with sitting down, but also dragging too much stuff around.
[08:13:48] <Mickmane> I suppose "The Nothing" is not an issue (roofs, trees, walls, and worse vanishing when you drag too many items around, like a bazillion stacks of 100 gold coins, and potions).
[08:13:57] <Mickmane> In crates, on the flying carpet. :)
[08:17:47] <Mickmane> On the sirjohn.de "The content you will find on the English pages will be different to the one featured in the German section, simply because it does make little sense to offer downloads in German, if you are not capable of speaking the language." What if I wnat to view the page in English even though I speak German? ;P
[08:21:23] <Mickmane> Dominus, you mentioned meeting the real Penumbra. Who is that?
[08:43:04] <Dominus> Penumbra is Manda Dee, also a former Origin employee and friend of LB
[08:44:25] <Dominus> I went to two Ultima events and met LB, Denis Loubet (artist who did almost all covers and some of the intros and other art stuff), Iolo, DrCat, and Nystul
[08:44:57] <Dominus> Try out the keyring mod and go fetch the carpet. You are in for a surprise
[08:45:21] <Dominus> The keyring mod does so much more than adding the keyring
[08:46:40] <Dominus> And the full party works fine. But when you sit down in a carriage/ship/original carpet it takes a bit because pathfinding is a hassle
[08:47:15] <Dominus> I'm on and off because I'm driving around to construction sites
[08:53:40] <Mickmane> Oh, don't worry about delay in response, that's IRC. :)
[08:53:50] <Mickmane> It's cool that you met all those people!
[08:54:09] <Mickmane> Now I'm scared about keyring mod and carpet! I have the mod activated already.
[08:54:44] <Mickmane> What do you do on those construction sites?
[09:04:17] * Mickmane went looking for spoilers. hah, cool!
[09:04:30] * Mickmane likes spoilers, more fun for me.
[09:05:35] <Mickmane> Btw, I thought the shortcut k to try all keys was the keyring mod. Would I still be able to do that without the mod?
[09:08:55] <Mickmane> does the keyring mod come with exult? I don't see a mod directory, and I thought I'd turned it on in the game.
[09:10:01] <Mickmane> It shows it as active, if I read the splash screen of U7+FoV mentioning keyring right.
[09:12:33] <Mickmane> "The three items of Principles (Book of Truth, Candle of Love and Bell of
[09:12:34] <Mickmane> Courage), as well as the three Flames of Principles."
[09:12:56] <Mickmane> reminds me of the Book of the Dead, teh Candelabrum of Invocation, and the Bell of Opening in Nethack.
[09:13:03] <Mickmane> What is it with book, bell, and light?
[09:15:58] <Mickmane> It says "You must be very powerful to survive the quest." (for the keyring), that's pretty late game, isn't that a bit too late?
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[10:50:24] <Mickmane> Aaaaaah! Wohoooo!
[10:50:29] * Mickmane dances around madly in joy.
[10:50:56] <Mickmane> I added Exult to my Steam library, and it works so well with Steam I can use the screenshot key and upload screenshots as if it were a proper Steam game!
[11:42:39] <Mickmane> Suggestion: Have key set for walking (custom keys, for the folks that are used to wasd) able to interpret two key presses simultaneously, like when I use esdf for up left down right, ef would do up and right (NE).
[14:08:08] <Mickmane> I'm off for a nap, see you later. :)
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[17:56:31] <Dominus> heya Mickmane http://exult.sourceforge.net/docs.php#Movement%20and%20Keys
[17:57:05] <Dominus> you can reconfigure the movement
[17:58:25] <Dominus> and we added the k command to BG so you can use that without having a keyring in the original unmodded game.
[17:58:46] <Dominus> the mod will add a keyring but you need to earn it :)
[18:03:11] <Mickmane> I just found out that I had disabled the mod, it seems, and broadcast worked, now enabled it doesn't (steam broadcast)
[18:03:39] <Mickmane> I reconfigured the movement keys, but pressing 2 keys doesn't move it diagonally, will I have to set it to e+f to move diagonally?
[18:04:32] <Dominus> hmm, maybe. try things out.
[18:06:58] <Mickmane> will do, right now I wonder why broadcast worked withotu keyring mod, but not after I restarted the game and enabled it.
[18:07:09] <Mickmane> is there a way to get back to the initial exult menu from the game?
[18:07:51] <Mickmane> I noticed the difference only by going to the flying carpet and in one it was normal and I thought it should look different.
[18:08:58] <Mickmane> restarted steam and now it works
[18:16:39] <Mickmane> Dominus, is there any way to get the original BG faces when playing with the keyring mod?
[18:16:53] <Mickmane> for my character I mean.
[18:23:27] <Mickmane> I noticed Exult doesn't show Wall instead of wall for secret passage walls, aaaah!
[19:02:04] <jasonaowen> Mickmane: it seems to work for me; where are you expecting it to that it doesn't?
[19:02:30] <Mickmane> I went into the major's office in Trinsic and the wall that you can open tehre didn't show Wall
[19:02:40] <Mickmane> mayor? I never remember which is which
[19:04:12] <Mickmane> jasonaowen, are you checking that spot now?
[19:04:35] <jasonaowen> it turns out I don't have a savegame handy for BG, and am supposed to be working right now <_< >_>
[19:04:54] <jasonaowen> I did have a savegame handy for SI and checked the knight's test, though, and those Walls showed up as expected
[19:05:14] <Mickmane> trinsic isn't far into a new game :)
[19:05:23] <Mickmane> I can upload a steam screenshot
[19:05:51] <jasonaowen> https://jasonaowen.net/i/u7-si-knights-test-wall.png
[19:06:33] <Mickmane> https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1820194466
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[19:07:25] <Mickmane> I can check if it works in the original, I just didn't get that to work right because the mouse isn't going all the way down teh window in dosbox, wonder why, it used to work fine.
[19:08:36] <Mickmane> oh, there it doesn't say Wall either.
[19:09:06] <Mickmane> jasonaowen, guess the original failed to do it right there. Will go and find other Walls to test. Now if I remembered a convenient one...
[19:11:13] <Mickmane> the lever walls in the castle don't say Wall either as far as I checked so far.
[19:17:29] <Mickmane> can you point me to a secret wall without lever that I could check?
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[19:29:27] <jasonaowen> I don't know BG very well, sorry
[19:35:33] <Mickmane> I went looking online for secret doors, and found a file with easter eggs, got distracted by teleporting to some hidden room I had either completely forgotten or never knew.
[19:38:59] <Mickmane> Hm. Is there any way to have dialogue not advance at a key press?
[19:40:14] <Mickmane> I just noticed that it puts empty slots of saves on top of previous ones, and I can't click on a slot to just pick that.
[19:58:35] <Mickmane> bucanneers den secret cave doesn't say Wall either for a wall that can be opened by clicking.
[20:05:44] <Mickmane> Am I misremembering and it was never part of BG?
[20:06:06] <Mickmane> Also, any way to get the old BG avatar face choice with the keyring mod activated?
[20:07:32] <Dominus> 1. I think BG never showed Wall
[20:07:40] <Mickmane> Ok.
[20:08:12] <Dominus> 2. no unfortunately, no way to use original faces atm in the BG Keyring mod. Search the forum, somone might have fixed it there
[20:08:27] <Mickmane> Will have a look, thanks.
[20:08:50] <Dominus> 3. no, you can't get back to the menu, once a game started. It's on the big todo list
[20:09:01] <Mickmane> Ok, thanks!
[20:12:54] <Mickmane> is it the discussions on the sourgeforge page?
[20:13:13] <Dominus> http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/list.php?f=1
[20:13:47] <Mickmane> thanks, that's the one I meant. :)
[20:17:20] <Mickmane> http://exult.sourceforge.net/forum/read.php?f=1&i=1737089&t=1736959 has a solution that will have new npc end up without a portrait. maybe I can do something with that. :)
[20:19:30] <Dominus> hit me up tomorrow. maybe I can fix that somewhat
[20:19:36] <Mickmane> Ok!
[20:19:45] <Mickmane> It's pretty late indeed already. :)
[20:21:06] <Mickmane> hm, there's no mods directory, so I guess the keyring mod stuff is hidden somewhere within the rest of exult.
[20:21:17] <Mickmane> oh, it's in the blackgate dir
[20:24:11] <Dominus> yes, and you must have put it there, following our instructions :)
[20:24:21] <Dominus> we don't bundle it with Exult...
[20:24:46] <Mickmane> Hm, my memory is getting worse and worse
[20:24:55] <Mickmane> but I don't find a faces.vga in that dir anyway
[20:25:47] <Dominus> it's in blackgate-dir/mods/keyring/data
[20:26:46] <Dominus> anyway, I'm off to bed...
[20:26:47] <Mickmane> right, I found it there, and now I know why I don't remember; it's been in the directory from my last looking at exult from whenever.
[20:26:51] <Mickmane> sleep well :)
[20:27:17] <Dominus> oh, then replace this with the current mod. *IMPORTANT*
[20:27:23] <Mickmane> Ok!
[20:27:30] <Dominus> I mean replace the whole keyring
[20:27:35] <Dominus> good night :)
[20:27:35] <Mickmane> yes
[20:27:39] <Mickmane> sleep well :)
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