I am One lucky barsted...

[Soopy]

And i mean it, relly i do...

I just found an copy of ultima pagan in an box when helping a frind clean out under the ceiling...

He had newer played it becurse he relly only playes somfing inwolving shoting...

Enyways...
iam the locky owner of a original copy of ultima pagan... still in the plastic rapp...
okay its not enny more in the plastic rap becurse iam not a colektor and it actoly looks cool... so i hope i can get this program working......

[Belial]

you fool... unwrapping has made it worthless... you did have a great colletable game.. but now you have nothing... you should have framed the wrapped copy and gone out and boughta another copy off someone or something... you have made your luck turn bad..

[Skutarth]

Look out, Pentagram. An original copy is coming right at you!

[painful]

Even sealed its worthless. So what's it matter?

[Andrea B Previtera]

I think he would have been luckier by finding a wrapped spellchecking program

[trevor_clim3]

if it would have been a sealed Ultima 7 - The Black Gate box, it would have been a real treasure... but ultima 8 ? no treasure in my eyes, even if in gold wrapped...

[painful]

Pagan isn't really that great of a value though. And I think he meant he was lucky and it had value because of it being an original copy and he owned it to be able to play. Not because he could resell it. I collect Transformers toys for a hobby, and I open each and every one of them. I would rather enjoy and get my money's worth, than let something sit there knowing I would never sell it. And I assume it's the same with any other hobby.

Now, finding all the original Ultima's sealed, 1 through 8, would be a treasure to me.. but I'd still open them.

[Axel DominatoR]

Yet another flame about Ultima 7 vs Ultima 8?



Axel

[Belial]

its a bloody ultima for christs sake regardless of what year it was made and what it is or who made it or if there is a pink daffydil on the front cover as the artwork... its was a wrapped box of an original... its worth money... even more alongside the wrapped copy of ultima 7... which might i add is a hell of a game which beats pagan. but as it is all of the ultimas are great games... regardless of what features they do or do not lack...

[wjp]

Calm down a bit please

[painful]

I agree, its a game, calm down about it. It's only worth the value another gamer would pay for it. Nothing more, nothing less. It's true value is in the game play, not the condition.

[Berty]

Speaking of gameplay Soops, if you've got the early diskette package, you might want to keep the v2.12 patch in mind? Good luck Avatar... you'll need it!

[Bomb Bloke]

Bah, patches. The game was much more interesting without them.

*remembers how many times he had to load the game while jumping between moving platforms*

On second thoughts, the load/save times were kinda sorta huge. Even on my tanky 486.

[Dominus]

load/save times: with pentagram, we have already thought of how to make load/save more authentic. Some extreme computing must be done and some grinding of the hard drive to make it take long enough and sound like the original...

[Colourless]

What we also need to do is open the files in unbuffered mode so every byte is written to the disk as soon as we want it to be.

[wjp]

And put back the O(n^2) item loading algorithm I came up with a while ago

[drcode]

Does anyone remember playing the original U7 without having 'smartdrv' loaded (which was kind of a challenge)? The disk used to grind in sync with the Avatar's footsteps.

[Bomb Bloke]

...

Ultima 7 runs when smartdrv is loaded? (O o)

I didn't know that. I always throw as much stuff out of memory as I can...

And no, it wasn't slow. I used to turn turbo mode off. Memories of trying to get Spark to join the party... You had to double click on him to talk to him, but he'd run fifty miles in a second, so it was tricky!

[Andrea B Previtera]

> Does anyone remember playing the original U7 without having 'smartdrv'
> loaded (which was kind of a challenge)? The disk used to grind in sync
> with the Avatar's footsteps.

Oh yes. And what about...uhm, I can't remember the name... FastOpen?
Without FastOpen, loading a Savegame resulted in a 5 minutes wait. With FastOpen enabled (a simple 50k or so .com program), it was a matter of 20-30 seconds.

I can also clearly remember loading the whole Ultima 7 in a RAM drive as soon as I got a Pentium II 300 with 32 mbs of ram. There was no substantial performance gain except for the loading times when I teleported or loaded a save game, so I began figuring out how cranky the "Voodoo memory manager" actually was...

[Bomb Bloke]

What sort of machine did all you peeps originally play on?

I had a 486DX2, and most of the time it was too fast.

[drcode]

I also had a 486DX2, and it seemed just about right. But it did crash a lot.

[Andrea B Previtera]

386 40mhz (AMD!!), 4mb ram
U7 was just perfect.
SI was slow, crashed, and often the disk tragically grinded.

[Bomb Bloke]

Heheh, it did crash, too...

Often I would get confident, and not save for ages... I lost many hours of gameplay that way...

[Alagner Dragon]

hey, I've got a question. Is an original [diskette] edition of first Ultima Underworld worth sth? does it have a collectible value? i ask cause i've seen the original unwrapped package in my local software shop. There are [or were] two boxes of it...

[Dominus]

look at ebay for the value. *I* would buy both, one for my treasure chest and the other I'd try to sell on ebay. But I'm sometimes crazy (after all I bought also the japanese-only PSX version of the game as well), don't listen to me

[zosX]

PSX version of underworld?? Please elaborate...I'm fascinated by obscure japanese only ports!!!

zosX

[Dominus]

Let me look, on uwadv's webpage some screenshots I took are stored...

http://uwadv.sourceforge.net/devel/psx-shots.zip
The intro looks much better, the 3D-models look like crap, the death scene (the part with the falling skull) is interesting.